Shootings at theater.

[barbara]

Originally Posted by Zeke

If we're discussing a "well regulated militia," how could that possibly imply everybody?

right.............

[bhunter]

Originally Posted by wgrr

This is a tragedy that will affect this whole country for years to come as we try to figure out what drives people to commit these heinous acts.

Their is nothing new about what happened in Aurora, CO. Mass killing sprees have gone on for centuries, all over the world, so I don't hold out much hope for any answers to an age old question. Why do people go crazy and kill innocent people who did nothing to them personally?

The most rational thing yet I have read on the shooting. Now, if we can get the media and politcal opportunists to stop speculating on supposed causes. Nicely stated wgrr.

[beej]

Originally Posted by Zeke

If we're discussing a "well regulated militia," how could that possibly imply everybody?

That the SC could interpret that phrase as applying to everyone is beyond my cognitave reach. The 2nd amendment was written for the times and in those times the National Guard didn't exist. A citizen militia was the only body that people could rely on. And no one can ever convince me that the intent ever was for people to own weapons like those available today.

[JJIII]

Originally Posted by Zeke

If we're discussing a "well regulated militia," how could that possibly imply everybody?

The SCOTUS, in case after case, has protected the right of individuals to "keep and bear arms".

See sections 7, 8, and 9.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Second_...s_Constitution

(SCOTUS also recognizes that certain types of firearms are not to be kept by individuals. It further recognizes that certain individuals don't have the right to have firearms. )

[d-ray657]

Originally Posted by JJIII

Just to throw another twist into the story...

http://www.naturalnews.com/036536_Ja...alse_flag.html

I'm not saying I put any credence in the the story in the link. It is out there though.

Paranoia.

Regards,

D-Ray

[finnbow]

Originally Posted by d-ray657

Paranoia.

Combined with delusion.

[Zeke]

Originally Posted by JJIII

See sections 7, 8, and 9.

First line: Meaning of "well regulated militia." ---> The term "regulated" means "disciplined" or "trained".

Most folks are neither.

[merrylander]

Originally Posted by JJIII

The SCOTUS, in case after case, has protected the right of individuals to "keep and bear arms".

See sections 7, 8, and 9.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Second_...s_Constitution

(SCOTUS also recognizes that certain types of firearms are not to be kept by individuals. It further recognizes that certain individuals don't have the right to have firearms. )

Thhat would not be the first time CSOTUS has screwed up, nor sadly is it likely to be the last. Like the decision on lobbyists - don't they teach English in the schools?

[merrylander]

Originally Posted by Zeke

First line: Meaning of "well regulated militia." ---> The term "regulated" means "disciplined" or "trained".

Most folks are neither.

Each state had its own militia at the time and there was no commonality of weapons, calibre, etc. Lots of debate over getting at least some commonality among them. Would not have been much use if the Vermont militia turned up in New Hampshire to help repel invading Canadians only to find the New Hampshire musket balls were too big or too small.

[noonereal]

Originally Posted by JJIII

(SCOTUS also recognizes that certain types of firearms are not to be kept by individuals. It further recognizes that certain individuals don't have the right to have firearms. )

Can you tell me where in the constitution it says that?

It doesn't. The point is that SCOTUS does not base it's ruling on simply the literal interpretation of the constitution. The constitution is much to outdated and to brief. SCOTUS instead makes political rulings.

The recent rulings on guns were alng party lines. The NRA finances the GOP.

This is the truth. Bringing up a militia to say it's your right in the constitution to carry guns is self serving fiction.

The debate needs to open and honest. You like guns, I don't. Let's negotiate.