The House just voted

[Charles]

Originally Posted by Boreas

Now you know why the bill we're getting is such a POS. It's not the deal making. It's the politician buying. If you didn't before, now you know why Nelson and Lieberman were such huge stumbling blocks for the Dems and why even Baucus picked up on the "it'll kill Grandma" meme.

The only way any of this will change is through public funding of election campaigns. Every single elected official ends up beholden to the special interests which financed his campaign. If he expects to get re-elected he'll need to play ball with those same special interests so they'll support him again.

John

The more things change, the more they remain the same.

This is one reason I like the TEA people. They may be the hoi polloi, the great unwashed, pick your pronoun.

But they ARE the population who is tired of business as usual. Personally, I get a kick out of watching the serfs enforce their will on their masters.

Then again, I'm a serf, and I realize it.

Good , Bad, and the Ugly.

Good is: These assholes need to to know that they are WAY outnumbered.

Bad is: We'll probably wind up with a bunch of assholes who are just as bad, or worse, that the one's we already have.

The Ugly: I'm too old to start over, and I ain't too hep on picking shit with the chickens before I starve to death in my old age.

My synopsis: The Big Boys are even less enthauistic about the collapse of civilization than I am. They just want us to be their serfs...decorating lamp poles ain't their goals.

But I like seven card...sometimes you can buy a hand. Just can't do it ALL of the time. Just gotta back you bluff with a full boat from time to time.

Chas

[noonereal]

Originally Posted by Charles

This is one reason I like the TEA people. They may be the hoi polloi, the great unwashed, pick your pronoun.

But they are protesting against their own best interests.
You don't find that a concern?

[Fast_Eddie]

Originally Posted by Charles

Well, the mid terms will tell the story.

The Donks may have overreached. According to the current polls, they have.

We can hash it out in 11 months. And we can revisit the "mandate" thing.

Chas

I suspect the Democrats will suffer in the mid-terms. But they'll suffer less having gotten this accomplished. By 2012, however, I think people will see an economy that's improved, a health care reform package that didn't bring about doomsday and the wars winding down. It'll be a rough ride, but they're in a better place than the do-nothing party.

[piece-itpete]

Originally Posted by noonereal

But they are protesting against their own best interests. ....

Originally Posted by Fast_Eddie

... they're in a better place than the do-nothing party.

That's more like it

Pete

[Fast_Eddie]

You know, I don't know. When you think about it, what will the messages be. Republicans will try to campaign on economic responsability. But the Democrats will come back with their record- surpus to massive debt. It all hinges on where things are 11 months from now. Democrats will talk about health care reform cutting the debt and covering more people and point to an end to economy draining wars. Once they're all in campaing mode and this health care debate is over Democrats may look better than I'm giving them credit for.

[piece-itpete]

The Washington Post did a story, they found the midterms are all about the popularity of the Pres, iirc near or over 50%, slight loss, under, drastic, something like that.

I wouldn't count on troop levels down unless moveon is willing to credit be-tray-us with winning (I think pigs will fly first). And the Dems would be foolish to bring up deficits in light of current actions.

You guys have a large majority, I doubt if it's threatened. Might not have 60 in the Senate though.

11 months IS a long time

Pete

[merrylander]

Send in the clowns, don't bother they're here. It is amazing how this country can consistently come up with 100 buffoons.

[Charles]

Time to sell the tanning saloon and buy Roche.

Chas