HELP: Avoiding taxes and escaping the system

[BlueStreak]

Originally Posted by Fast_Eddie

An older term would be Pinoeer or Explorer.

It's a quandry. Thre's really no where left on Earth you can live like humans lived for hundreds of thousands of years. Not that I would choose to. But we're suposed to be all "free" and stuff. Yet, as noone said, we're compelled to live in a Capitalistic system. We're not "free" to say otherwise unless we're willing to live pretty badly, as parasites on socieity.

Not sure where you live, but in Europe, at least you would probably get single payer health care. And here in the U.S., living in the park, or anywhere else you don't pay for, is illegal. But you can get your health care down at the emergency room with the other illegals.

Decisions have been made that we have no say in and we have to do things the way people who came before us decided was going to be the only way. Here in America we used to have a system that let people stop working at some point before they die, but we're trying real hard to get rid of that now and replacing it with a new retirement plan. We call it "become independantly wealthy". Oh, and don't get sick. Otherwise, just work and make us money, then have the decency to die quickly and quietly at a reasonable age so society doesn't have to drag you along.

Capitalism American style really is becoming “contribute to the greater good we call ‘the economy’ for as long as you can then die”. If you think about it, it’s kinda more Socialist than Socialism. Only drawback is everyone contributes but only a few benefit.

Freedom my brothers! That is real freedom!

What else can I say...........................Bravo, again, old Boy!!!

Dave

[Combwork]

Just to chip in, in both England and Scotland, even to build a log cabin on your own land needs planing permission. If you can find cheap land it will almost certainly be agricultural or a bit of woodland; chances of getting planing permission, zero. As long as you move it from time to time (so it is not regarded as permanent) you might get away with a caravan. There could be an alternative though; Scoraig http://www.scoraig.com/ Although there's a track of sorts, there is no vehicle access. Only way in or out is by boat. If you contact them, you could say the man who sold them the steel sink suggested it.

This is the only permanent community of this type that I know of, but there may be others out there with a lower profile. Try looking at old Ordinance Survey maps showing coastal communities with no road access. Then check with a new map and see which ones are no longer on it.

Remember though, remote abandoned communities were abandoned for a reason.

[piece-itpete]

Given our standard of living, I'd say everyone benefits.

Pete

[BlueStreak]

Originally Posted by piece-itpete

Given our standard of living, I'd say everyone benefits.

Pete

"Given our standard of living............."

Which has been steadily declining for the last thirty years, or so.

Dave

[piece-itpete]

It started pretty high.

And funny, 30 years ago central AC was a rarity (at least in my 'class'), 1 tv was the norm, and houses were a lot smaller.

I suspect if we went back to that our national debt could be taken care of.

Pete

[BlueStreak]

Originally Posted by piece-itpete

It started pretty high.

And funny, 30 years ago central AC was a rarity (at least in my 'class'), 1 tv was the norm, and houses were a lot smaller.

I suspect if we went back to that our national debt could be taken care of.

Pete

I never left that model.

My house is tiny.-Check.

One T.V.-Check.

Didn't have central A/C until five years ago.-Kinda check.

Two stereos-Kinda uncheck.

Two vehicles, one of them is a $40,000 raging monster of a muscle car.---Okay,-uncheck.

Three outta five aint so bad.......Is it?

Dave

[Brother_Karl]

Originally Posted by merrylander

Last time I saw the news there was a considerable amount of snow on the sceptered isle.

It happens every now and again during the winter. Last winter, it was the most snow I have ever seen in my life. I can deal with a bit of snow for occuing for about a week during some winters.

Originally Posted by finnbow

I can't help but remark on the irony of "escaping the system" while remaining close to publically funded running water, toilets, libraries and shops. As Dave noted, what you describing is considered by many (or most) people a vagrant, something that most don't consider admirable or desirable.

Originally Posted by BlueStreak

Nothing is "free". The English taxpayer bought those toilets, libraries, etc., etc... And, if you use them without doing your part to help pay for them, what does that make you? Do you think your fellow Englishmen who work hard and pay their taxes would appreciate that?

Not trying to be adversarial, just offering you some "food for thought".

Dave

Please do be adversarial.

I stated, in my introduction thread, that I do not consider myself to be any nationality at all. I am not English. I have no allegiance to any nation or any state.

I dont not intend on escaping the system altogether... Just a little bit. Furthermore, I am an anarchist. My political ideology is something that I have avoided mentioning until now because I did not wish to be pre-judged on the basis of the usual misconceptions.

I will not discuss anarchism on this thread. If you wish to discuss anarchism I will happily do so on another thread.

Originally Posted by finnbow

I'm with Chas. Save some money, buy a small plot of land and build a cabin. Unless you have the requisite skills/experience, you won't last but a couple of miserable, rainsoaked weeks in your tent.

Originally Posted by Charles

Done right, a cabin could be pretty comfortable. Having the capacity to live off grid would be nice, but I'd still run electricity if I could. You're buying watts, just set yourself up so you don't buy many of them.

Land is far more expensive here than it is where you are. I am poor. I also dont wish to wait for a long time because my immediate personal situation is something that is pushing me in this direction.

Originally Posted by Charles

Don't guess there's chiggers in England?

Whats a chigger?

Originally Posted by Fast_Eddie

Not sure where you live

England.


Thank you all for your comments so far. You've all been very helpful. Please continue commenting for as long as you see fit. Its a great help. Thanks.

[Fast_Eddie]

Originally Posted by piece-itpete

Given our standard of living, I'd say everyone benefits.

Pete

Ends justifies the means.

I'd say you've not experiences everyone's standard of living.

[Charles]

Originally Posted by Brother_Karl

It happens every now and again during the winter. Last winter, it was the most snow I have ever seen in my life. I can deal with a bit of snow for occuing for about a week during some winters.





Please do be adversarial.

I stated, in my introduction thread, that I do not consider myself to be any nationality at all. I am not English. I have no allegiance to any nation or any state.

I dont not intend on escaping the system altogether... Just a little bit. Furthermore, I am an anarchist. My political ideology is something that I have avoided mentioning until now because I did not wish to be pre-judged on the basis of the usual misconceptions.

I will not discuss anarchism on this thread. If you wish to discuss anarchism I will happily do so on another thread.





Land is far more expensive here than it is where you are. I am poor. I also dont wish to wait for a long time because my immediate personal situation is something that is pushing me in this direction.



Whats a chigger?



England.


Thank you all for your comments so far. You've all been very helpful. Please continue commenting for as long as you see fit. Its a great help. Thanks.

In other words, you're English. Everybody's gotta belong to the club, maybe not the same one, but to one. Gotta have papers when you're born, gotta have papers when you die, and ya gotta pay taxes in the meantime.

I suppose if you went far enough up the Amazon the powers that be might leave you alone, but the people who already live there might cook you up for supper.

"What's for supper, Grandpa?"

"It's you, laddie!"

Now I've got a pretty independent streak, and I don't much like people telling me what I'm gonna do...but I'm hardly an anarchist. Can't say I'd prefer to live in a Mad Max world...I like my air squezzer and easy chair too much.

To tell the truth, I think your main complaint about society and the nature of things is due to the fact that you consider yourself to be poor.

Look at it in another way. If you want an orange, can you not only afford one, but is it not easily accessible? A couple of hundred years ago even a king couldn't have an orange whenever he wanted one.

Count your blessings, and look around. You aren't truly poor, you just want more money. People really ARE starving to death in Africa.

And in closing, I'll address the dreaded chigger.

It's a little bug you can't see with the naked eye. When one of them bites you, you get a big red welt which itches like mad for a good week. Most of the time when you get into them, you wind up with several hundred bites, they prefer your feet, the backs of your knees, your crotch, and your balls. And when that happens, you are miserable for a LONG time.

They're lousy in Missouri, only good thing is they can't stand DEET. DO NOT live in a tent where there are chiggers.

Chas

[Fast_Eddie]

Originally Posted by Charles

Everybody's gotta belong to the club, maybe not the same one, but to one. Gotta have papers when you're born, gotta have papers when you die, and ya gotta pay taxes in the meantime.

"Seems like the government's got more interest in a dead man than a live one."

-Tom Joad

Chas, when I was just a sprout, maybe 8 years old, I got Chiggers one summer on the farm in KY. In the most miserable place they can get got. Wouldn't wish it on any human.