Obama sorry he lied

[whell]

Originally Posted by bobabode

I guess schools in Detroit don't teach civics studies? Correct me if I'm wrong but once an election or vote is taken, aren't we supposed to abide with the majority decision? and support it?

No, and its a lesson that's been learned over and over again throughout our own history. Maybe you missed some civics lessons yourself? Or maybe you're suggesting, for example, that all the folks who stood up against Jim Crow laws should have just shut up and supported them?

Originally Posted by bobabode

The Patient Protection & Affordable Care Act was passed by both houses of Congress, signed by the President and survived a legal challenge all the way to the Supreme Court.

The reason that I highlighted the first two words is a simple one. It removed pre existing conditions and lifetime caps, which is why these junk policies do not stack up and are therefore illegal. As a favorite (libertarianesque) sci-fi author of mine once said "TANSTAAFL", Mike. Grow up, bro.

Yup. And that same Supreme Court has made many "interesting" decisions throughout its history. Again, using your logic: "Corporations = individuals as it relates to political contributions. Now shut up and support it." Or, "Discrimination no longer exists in the balloting processing this country. Now shut up and support it."

And finally, to paraphrase the next presumptive Dem candidate for POTUS:

"I am sick and tired of people who say that if you debate and you disagree with this administration somehow you're not patriotic. We should stand up and say we are Americans and we have a right to debate and disagree with any administration."

I disagree with what this administration has done with health care in this country. So, I'm being patriotic.

[whell]

Originally Posted by merrylander

I damn sure did not vote to invade Iraq but I am quite certain my taxes are paying for it. That statement of yours is infantile.

Tell that to Bob. Apparently, since Congress votes to support the Iraq invasion, you're supposed to just shut up and support it.

[whell]

Originally Posted by donquixote99

The GOP has done more than 'not vote for it.' Much more. There was the court challenge that resulted in making medicare expansion a state option, followed by the refusal of many states to expand it, leaving many low-income people with no affordable coverage option. Then there is the refusal of many states to set up state exchanges. One-state-at-a-time seems to have been a much more doable IT task, the state exchanges are working well where they exist. I don't think it's too much to say the Republicans have been trying everything they can in many states to actively sabotage the ACA.

Um, so you think that the Federal Gov't has the right to tell states how to spend the state's own money?

[whell]

In the meantime, only one person in NC has been able to successfully complete the application process on healthcare.gov. Their reward for doing so was to then be targeted by a scammer who attempted to obtain the applicant's personal information. I guess that applicant shouldn't complain, though. They should just support it!

http://charlotte.cbslocal.com/2013/1...are-exchanges/

[Tom Joad]

Originally Posted by BlueStreak

I really don't care anyways, to be perfectly honest.

If it gets us one step closer to killing the system we have, I'm good with it.

The employer sponsored system can't die fast enough, to my mind.

There it is.

I'm 66 and a half and I've had my single payer (Medicare) for a year and a half and I love it.

And I'm not one of those "I've got mine, Fuck you" Republicans.

I think everybody should have it.

Until we get there I'm going to keep plugging HR 676 every chance I get.

http://www.healthcare-now.org/whats-single-payer/hr-676

Expanded & Improved Medicare For All Act establishes a unique American national universal health insurance program. The bill would create a publicly financed, privately delivered healthcare system that uses the already existing Medicare program by expanding and improving it to all U.S. residents, and all residents living in U.S. territories. The goal of the legislation is to ensure that everyone will have access, guaranteed by law, to the highest quality and most cost effective healthcare services regardless of their employment, income, or healthcare status. With over 45-75 million uninsured in the United States, and another 50 million who are under-insured, the time has come to change our inefficient and costly fragmented non-healthcare system.

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[donquixote99]

Originally Posted by whell

Um, so you think that the Federal Gov't has the right to tell states how to spend the state's own money?

No, I think what I said. The motivation for 'the state not spending it's own money" and taking a bunch more federal money, to provide health care for very low income citizens, is partisan malice.

[merrylander]

Originally Posted by whell

Tell that to Bob. Apparently, since Congress votes to support the Iraq invasion, you're supposed to just shut up and support it.

I thought that is what I implied.

[barbara]

Originally Posted by whell

Um, so you think that the Federal Gov't has the right to tell states how to spend the state's own money?

Actually, in a lot of cases, the Feds do tell the states how to spend their money.

I don't know the particulars in regards to the ACA, but I do know that most federal funding requires a commitment of local dollars that are then regulated by the Feds.

[merrylander]

Originally Posted by JBS...

Bull Chit dave... Even WAPO sees through this line of chit.

"Blaming the insurance companies can only go so far. First of all, the administration wrote the rules that set the conditions under which plans lose their grandfathered status. But more important, the law has an effective date so far in the past that it virtually guaranteed that the vast majority of people currently in the individual market would end up with a notice saying they needed to buy insurance on the Obamacare exchanges.

The administration’s effort to pin the blame on insurance companies is a classic case of misdirection. Between 75 and 95 percent of the problem stems from the effective date, but the White House chooses to keep the focus elsewhere."

Hmm so suddenly the administration has become Congress or is that the other way round?

[JBS...]

Originally Posted by whell

No, and its a lesson that's been learned over and over again throughout our own history. Maybe you missed some civics lessons yourself? Or maybe you're suggesting, for example, that all the folks who stood up against Jim Crow laws should have just shut up and supported them?



Yup. And that same Supreme Court has made many "interesting" decisions throughout its history. Again, using your logic: "Corporations = individuals as it relates to political contributions. Now shut up and support it." Or, "Discrimination no longer exists in the balloting processing this country. Now shut up and support it."

And finally, to paraphrase the next presumptive Dem candidate for POTUS:

"I am sick and tired of people who say that if you debate and you disagree with this administration somehow you're not patriotic. We should stand up and say we are Americans and we have a right to debate and disagree with any administration."

I disagree with what this administration has done with health care in this country. So, I'm being patriotic.

Originally Posted by whell

Tell that to Bob. Apparently, since Congress votes to support the Iraq invasion, you're supposed to just shut up and support it.