Hamas Attack in Israel

[finnbow]

Originally Posted by Ike Bana

In other words...Ike everything you said was factual. finn prefers nuanced opinions to facts.

On August 15, 2005, Arafat got everything he was demanding. Every tiny morsel of it. Was it enough? The rest of us are fucking infidels...nothing is ever gonna be enough from the infidels.

Pulling 8,500 settlers out of (a destroyed) Gaza wasn't exactly "everything Arafat was demanding."

In any event, Hamas certainly needs to be defeated and destroyed, but the attendant civilian casualties will inflame the problem more than it solves it (which was exactly Hamas' aim, BTW).

[Zeke]

Originally Posted by Ike Bana

I'm just a little fucking tired of hearing US liberals blaming Jews for the existense [sic] of Islamofascist homicidal subhumans.

I'm tired of Zionist apologists using the Western "only good Indian is a dead Indian" trope to excuse the behavior of Israel regarding Gaza.

You're just wrong on this, Ike, as you were before and always shall be. Hamas and Palestinian are not the same thing. Treating them as if they are defines subhuman.

[donquixote99]

First version of this message was true, but not constructive. Edited out by author.

[Rajoo]

Originally Posted by Ike Bana

Don't like the Muslims or the Jews so much, eh Rajoo?

Well tell ya what. Hamas wants dead Muslims. Its why they put their command and control facilities in bospital basements and their mortar and rocket laucher installations next to schools, mosques, and big residential apartment buildings.

At least 19,908 Palestinians and 2,770 Israelis have been killed by someone from the other side since 2000.

As you know Chicago (where I went to school and worked for a couple of decades) has a huge Jewish population and a majority of my classmates and colleagues were Jewish. Then on to Florida, another Jewish bastion. So no, I do not dislike Jews, but Israel? that's a whole different story.

As for Muslims (India is about 20% Muslim), have several friends and no issues whatsoever. But Islam? That religion promotes brutality.

End of the day regardless of religion, I do sympathize with the plight of Palestinians forced to live in a "no man's land" while being displaced and eliminated by Israel.

[Mark B]

NBC article on the 9-month battle to drive ISIS out of Mosul Iraq in 2017:

NBC News - Liberating Mosul

International Committee of the Red Cross article:

Battle of Mosul Case Study

Bullet points (B) [5] and (B) [9] from the above case study:

"[5] The furor over the March 17 American airstrike that led to the collapse of a building in western Mosul, killing scores if not hundreds of Iraqi civilians, as well as Defense Department allegations that Islamic State fighters deliberately placed the civilians in harm’s way, have caused a change in American tactics. “It has caused some adjustments to our procedures,” Colonel Scrocca said, though he declined to say what specific changes had been made."

"[9] General Votel described the decision to let “on-scene commanders” call in airstrikes as a return to the standard doctrine of the United States for conducting urban warfare. He said the new procedures did not weaken protections for civilians."
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[Ike Bana]

Originally Posted by Zeke

I'm tired of Zionist apologists using the Western "only good Indian is a dead Indian" trope to excuse the behavior of Israel regarding Gaza.

You're just wrong on this, Ike, as you were before and always shall be. Hamas and Palestinian are not the same thing. Treating them as if they are defines subhuman.

Reckon if after September 11th Zeke was on his favorite forum saying shit like, "wait a minute...we dont want to attack the terrorists until we can be sure that no innocent bystanders get hurt." Kinda fuckin doubt it. Here's my view of the situation in the holy land...terrorism resides where the people therin allow it. It's also my view of the emerging situation in this country. Trumpism and a seditionist Republican party...well thats on the people of this country. Everyone has the government they deserve, and that includes Palestinian Gazans.

Reckon if Zeke sees the early invaders of this land we all stand on as the genocidal nazis they were.

Kinda fuckin doubt that either.

[Ike Bana]

Originally Posted by Mark B

NBC article on the 9-month battle to drive ISIS out of Mosul Iraq in 2017:

NBC News - Liberating Mosul

International Committee of the Red Cross article:

Battle of Mosul Case Study

Bullet points (B) [5] and (B) [9] from the above case study:

"[5] The furor over the March 17 American airstrike that led to the collapse of a building in western Mosul, killing scores if not hundreds of Iraqi civilians, as well as Defense Department allegations that Islamic State fighters deliberately placed the civilians in harm’s way, have caused a change in American tactics. “It has caused some adjustments to our procedures,” Colonel Scrocca said, though he declined to say what specific changes had been made."

"[9] General Votel described the decision to let “on-scene commanders” call in airstrikes as a return to the standard doctrine of the United States for conducting urban warfare. He said the new procedures did not weaken protections for civilians."
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Y'know Mark...the way I'm seeing this is...
We are having this reaction to the IDF response to terrorism because its Jews defending themselves. When its Americans defending themselves the Japs deserved having nuclear weapons dropped on two cities that had no military installations. And the pilots and crews of the two B-29's that dropped "little.boy" and "fat man" are heroes. Or maybe they were they good little nazis who were just following orders.

Allied war crimes during WWII

Anyone who runs, is VC. Anyone who stands still, is well-disciplined VC.

Yeah sure, Americans hold some kind of moral high ground.

[finnbow]

Originally Posted by Ike Bana

Y'know Mark...the way I'm seeing this is...
We are having this reaction to the IDF response to terrorism because its Jews defending themselves. When its Americans defending themselves the Japs deserved having nuclear weapons deopped on two cities that had no military installations. And the pilots and crews of the two B-29's that dropped "little.boy" and "fat man" are heroes. Or maybe they were they good little nazis who were just following orders.

And it was attacks such as these that led to the Geneva Conventions in 1949 which, among other provisions, called for protection of noncombatants. Also, a considerable number of the scientists at Los Alamos adamantly opposed the use of the bomb against Japan and sent a petition to Truman saying so. As for the pilots who dropped the 2 bombs, Paul Tibbets became a household name, but the pilot for the Nagasaki strike, Charles Sweeney did not.

Meanwhile, an Israeli minister on Sunday suggested dropping a nuclear bomb on Gaza, and was swiftly suspended from part of his role. Amichai Eliyahu, Israel's heritage minister, made the remark in a radio interview, in which he also said he believed "there are no non-combatants in Gaza," Israel's Haaretz news site reported.

So, it seems that your views largely coincide with the far right genocidal wingnuts in Israel who are even too crazy for Bibi.

[RickeyM]

I don't think anybody's criticising Israel for defending themselves but concern is for the massive collateral damage they're causing. As has been mentioned, Palestine is not HAMAS, HAMAS is not Palestine.

[Ike Bana]

Originally Posted by finnbow

So, it seems that your views largely coincide with the far right genocidal wingnuts in Israel who are even too crazy for Bibi.

It seems your making excuses for Hamas, blaming the victims for their victimization, your secondary victimization of Israeli Jews, largely coincides with anti-Semites worldwide.