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Old 08-04-2017, 05:29 PM
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You're right. It's not the only animating factor within the GOP base. But it is certainly a factor. May I remind you that Trump got his start in politics and built support through his racist birther nonsense?
May I remind you that the Dems were losing the working class white vote before Obama and Trump showed up on the national political scene? Hell, John Kerry lost this group of voters by a whopping 23 points in 2004. Gore only did slightly better, losing 17%. Actually, in 2008, Obama actually did better with this demographic than Kerry or Gore.

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Old 08-04-2017, 05:39 PM
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May I remind you that the Dems were losing the working class white vote before Obama and Trump showed up on the national political scene? Hell, John Kerry lost this group of voters by a whopping 23 points in 2004. Gore only did slightly better, losing 17%. Actually, in 2008, Obama actually did better with this demographic than Kerry or Gore.
Racism was born yesterday. The GOP adopted it as a political tactic with Nixon's Southern Strategy.
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Old 08-04-2017, 05:41 PM
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Racism was born yesterday. The GOP adopted it as a political tactic with Nixon's Southern Strategy.
...and then the Dems got "smart" and decided to blame their poor fortunes on imagined racism.
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Old 08-04-2017, 06:16 PM
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...and then the Dems got "smart" and decided to blame their poor fortunes on imagined racism.
Racism isn't imagined.
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Old 08-05-2017, 08:14 AM
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Racism isn't imagined.
No, but the Dem's usage of it often is. The OP in this thread is Exhibit A.
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Old 08-05-2017, 10:53 AM
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No, but the Dem's usage of it often is. The OP in this thread is Exhibit A.
But you're OK with the GOP's use of race since the days of Nixon from Willie Horton? Your objection seems to focus on Democrats highlighting race-based tactics.
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Old 08-05-2017, 04:35 PM
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But you're OK with the GOP's use of race since the days of Nixon from Willie Horton? Your objection seems to focus on Democrats highlighting race-based tactics.
So, you're saying that both parties use race as a weapon?
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Old 08-05-2017, 05:21 PM
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So, you're saying that both parties use race as a weapon?
What are you, 12 years old?
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Old 08-05-2017, 05:30 PM
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What are you, 12 years old?
It's called playing dumb when confronted with irrefutable facts. Whell is anything but dumb.
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Old 08-05-2017, 05:43 PM
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It's called playing dumb when confronted with irrefutable facts. Whell is anything but dumb.
Yeah, he's playing that moronic 'both sides do it' game to deflect from his party's absolutely shitty record with people of color.
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