Hamas Attack in Israel

[Pio1980]

Originally Posted by Oerets

Israel is able to protect from and retaliate for the harm inflicted upon them.

Like any other country is expected to behave.

When it come to war and the after effects...



War is hell and bad things happen all the time. The reason war is not a intelligent response. Yet all miss steps by any is used to drive any narrative.

This is one where the top level negotiations with all parties is need. To insure no expansion rather a cessation of hostilities.

This conflict is in need of a solution. One with give and takes from both sides.

Only if the extremists are excluded from sabotaging negotiations.
Co-existence is possible and preferable to the zero-sum dominance the extremists espouse.

[Dondilion]

Jewish demonstration on Capitol call for Gaza cease fire.

fire.https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Y31YAx1zTjg

It is good to note that the proposed ground invasion of Gaza is not in a vacuum.

[Oerets]

Originally Posted by Pio1980

Only if the extremists are excluded from sabotaging negotiations.
Co-existence is possible and preferable to the zero-sum dominance the extremists espouse.

History shows extremist (both sides) over reach to a point where they are seen as part of the problem. Then the people rise up and exclude them. Yet the extremist don't go away completely do they?
The solution soon fads in importance and the extremist are still there moving not stopping.

This country is still fighting over taxation Religion and states rights issues....after all. (Slavery)

[Dondilion]

Originally Posted by Pio1980

It's not "whataboutism",

The cry about "whataboutism" is often used in an attempt to shut down views, in an attempt to enforce echo.

[Pio1980]

Originally Posted by Dondilion

The cry about "whataboutism" is often used in an attempt to shut down views, in an attempt to enforce echo.

Of course there is no "equivalency" excuse for the recent attacks by Hamas, and any claims of victimhood with the predictable retaliation ring hollow.

[Ike Bana]

Originally Posted by Dondilion

Jewish demonstration on Capitol call for Gaza cease fire.

I am not surprised. But then...I grew up wallowing in a sea of debilitating Jewish guilt.

[Ike Bana]

Originally Posted by Oerets

History shows extremist (both sides) over reach to a point where they are seen as part of the problem.

I'm not buying the "both sides" comments...in the Gaza situation or in the politics of this country. The bad guys being easily identifiable in both.

Particularly when we see opponents of Hamas dragged by their ankles in their underwear down the streets of Gaza City in a pistol waving motorcade of shitty motorbikes.

[Oerets]

Hamas is evil I agree saying Israel has it's extremist also. Not to the level of Hamas still the treatment of the population Gaza Strip prior appears extreme.

In this country the Left also has extremist with an agenda. Focusing on mainly of equality justice environmental issues. Mostly peaceful at the moment. During the sixties and seventies they had their moments.

[finnbow]

Originally Posted by Ike Bana

I'm not buying the "both sides" comments...in the Gaza situation or in the politics of this country. The bad guys being easily identifiable in both.

So, is Bibi a good guy or a bad guy?

[Ike Bana]

Originally Posted by finnbow

So, is Bibi a good guy or a bad guy?

I've been saying all along, Bibi is the Donald Trump of Israel. Which makes him a bad guy. But on the continuum of bad guys is he as bad as...

Sinwar? No.
Deif? No.
Issa? No.
Meshaal? No.
RFK, Jr.? Fuck no.

I'm also pretty fucking tired of hearing liberal Jews, rabbinical Jews, and other Jews, their gnashing of teeth, tearing of hair, and other Jewish guilt ridden bullshit that finds the accusing Israelis of "genocide" in Gaza. There is only one group resonsible for what is going on in Gaza now, and what has been goin on in Gaza since 1987...and that is Hamas.