Zimmerman trial starts today.

[stereocuuple]

Originally Posted by Oerets

Facts not in dispute. Zippy was armed Trevon was not. Zippy followed Trevon for a while. Was told not to by an official on the phone. Told they would handle it. Continued to follow or chase Trevon.

Now there is only one person who can tell the tale further. Because the other one is dead.

For me after being told to stand down stand your ground went out the window. No where does zippy say he was leaving the scene when Trevon attacked him right?


So the argument for justifiable stand your ground now includes causing a fight when armed with an unarmed person is OK? Because being armed does give a sense of power over the unarmed.



Barney

you need to look up the meaning of the word "fact"

[Charles]

Originally Posted by Oerets

Facts not in dispute. Zippy was armed Trevon was not. Zippy followed Trevon for a while. Was told not to by an official on the phone. Told they would handle it. Continued to follow or chase Trevon.

Now there is only one person who can tell the tale further. Because the other one is dead.

For me after being told to stand down stand your ground went out the window. No where does zippy say he was leaving the scene when Trevon attacked him right?


So the argument for justifiable stand your ground now includes causing a fight when armed with an unarmed person is OK? Because being armed does give a sense of power over the unarmed.



Barney

This isn't a case of stand your ground. It's a case of self defense.

They are not the same.

Chas

[bobabode]

Originally Posted by Charles

This isn't a case of stand your ground. It's a case of self defense.

They are not the same.

Chas

You are still not allowed to meet the level of force shown in this case with a 9mm dum dum through the heart. Even in Missoura.

[stereocuuple]

Originally Posted by bobabode

You are still not allowed to meet the level of force shown in this case with a 9mm dum dum through the heart. Even in Missoura.

watch your damn mouth i am from Missouri. i would put up any citizen of my home state before one from Ca.

[Charles]

Originally Posted by bobabode

You are still not allowed to meet the level of force shown in this case with a 9mm dum dum through the heart. Even in Missoura.

Actually, you can in Missouri. Provided you can show that you were in reasonable fear of your life or great bodily harm.

Chas

[bobabode]

Originally Posted by stereocuuple

watch your damn mouth i am from Missouri. i would put up any citizen of my home state before one from Ca.

So's my family a few generations back, I think one of 'em was hung as a horse thief. We started from Pennsylvania Deutch country and kept heading west. If you think Missourans are stubborn? "Never argue with a german if you're drunk or tired" as some hippy dippy rock and roll band from California once said.

[stereocuuple]

germans dont scare me a bit. Im Jewish

[bobabode]

Maybe you should change that sig line to "putting the redneck back into the red state"?

[Oerets]

Originally Posted by stereocuuple

you need to look up the meaning of the word "fact"

fact (bing)

fact [ fakt ]
""something known to be true: something that can be shown to be true, to exist, or to have happened

truth or reality of something: the truth or actual existence of something, as opposed to the supposition of something or a belief about something

piece of information: a piece of information, e.g. a statistic or a statement of the truth.""


Facts.
Zippy had a loaded gun Trevon skittles and a drink! One is dead the other is not. One was told to leave then did not.

Originally Posted by Charles

This isn't a case of stand your ground. It's a case of self defense.

They are not the same.

Chas

Like I stated before an armed person (concealed) now can cause a confrontation with a unarmed person. Then when things get out of hand shoot and kill the unarmed person is now legal in the USA?



Barney

[bobabode]

Originally Posted by stereocuuple

germans dont scare me a bit. Im Jewish

Mazeltov! I used to be shabbas goy.

Dad was in the 10th AD under Patton, they killed a shitload of nazies. They liberated the Landsberg camp per the Holocaust Museum.