People Can Change

[djv8ga]

Originally Posted by bobabode

Gays and lesbians should have the right to marry.

& which are you again?

[djv8ga]

Originally Posted by merrylander

I am not certain if I personally know any gay people

How does that happen?

[d-ray657]

Originally Posted by djv8ga

How does that happen?

I think that most of us know more gay people than we realize. Far fewer in the current generation of young adults (i.e., my sons' ages)* remain in the closet than in my generation and Rob's generation.

Regards,

D-Ray

*My younger son turned 24 today. Gawd do I feel old.

[bobabode]

Originally Posted by djv8ga

& which are you again?

Now don't start getting a woodie on me again Deej. I'm not your type.

I'm just an old, straight and happily married hippie here. Besides, homey don't swing that way.

[djv8ga]

Originally Posted by d-ray657

I think that most of us know more gay people than we realize. Far fewer in the current generation of young adults (i.e., my sons' ages)* remain in the closet than in my generation and Rob's generation.

Regards,

D-Ray

*My younger son turned 24 today. Gawd do I feel old.

So there's no way it's by choice? That's pretty generous IMO.

[d-ray657]

Originally Posted by djv8ga

So there's no way it's by choice? That's pretty generous IMO.

I'm not sure I understand the question.

But, my answer is - I believe that one's sexual preference is hard-wired. The differences are just that - differences, not defects.

Attitudes are not hard-wired. More people of my generation are likely to be favorably disposed to accepting gay marriage than Rob's generation, and more of my sons' generation is likely to be in favor of gay marriage than my generation. But, many more people of my generation favor gay marriage now than ten years ago.

Whether one is openly gay is a choice, and more and more are choosing openness.

Regards,

D-Ray

[djv8ga]

Originally Posted by d-ray657

I'm not sure I understand the question.

But, my answer is - I believe that one's sexual preference is hard-wired. The differences are just that - differences, not defects.

Attitudes are not hard-wired. More people of my generation are likely to be favorably disposed to accepting gay marriage than Rob's generation, and more of my sons' generation is likely to be in favor of gay marriage than my generation. But, many more people of my generation favor gay marriage now than ten years ago.

Whether one is openly gay is a choice, and more and more are choosing openness.

Regards,

D-Ray

I'm saying Rob would NEVER let anyone like me get away with that statement without calling them a homophobe. You know it & I know it.

[Dondilion]

Originally Posted by djv8ga

So there's no way it's by choice? That's pretty generous IMO.

Indeed, pretty generous.

[bobabode]

Originally Posted by Dondilion

Indeed, pretty generous.

That isn't what Don said.

[hillbilly]

Originally Posted by Twodogs

I guess this is a current event because I just had the aha moment today. I've never been against gay couples being married, but did harbor some disgust, especially for the male gays. I've been working on a little stereo today and listening to Queen. I took a break and when I leaned back in my chair, I noticed my Queen poster on the wall. Freddie Mercury was gay right, so if I like his art this much, why would I be down on him for his sexuality. His sexuality is none of my damn business and I should just feel lucky that he chose to share his art with me. So, if it's good for Fred, it's good for all in my book.

I am however still against abortion if one man gets another man pregnant.

Not long ago I agree'd to help out in a new home a banker was building. He wanted cabinets built on site, and custom entertainment center hand built on site ( nothing pre-fab brought in ) and hidden book shelves, etc. There were three of us working in that house together for about 8 weeks. One of them was gay, and even the man in charge wasn't happy about it, but after a couple weeks the gay feller told me his life story. I wont go into full detail of his business but long story short, the guy married a girl as a cover up and ended up having two kids before she found out he was gay and dumped him. It devastated his children not because they loved him any less or shamed him, but because they were torn apart from him when their mom quickly won full custody. The kids also got bashed in school when friends caught wind of the reason their mother left him. It also tore him apart because he loved the kids dearly but could not help how he felt about the lifetime man in his life and blamed himself for all the events that unfolded when his wife learned of him. It's sad really. After hearing his story, that is when I started to open my eyes and realise that it wasn't right to avoid them just because I was raised to or because the church folks scream it is wrong and god doesn't create an obomination. It only teaches our own kids to do the same and the mistreatment will never stop. I've re-thunk alot of things. But still stand firm against abortion. I believe life starts at conception. I'm about to be grandaddy of twin girls.