Reagan the worst?

[bobabode]

Originally Posted by icenine

I would say George Bush beats Reagan for being the worst since Nixon.

Really? Gee Dubya may have been responsible for more dead Americans than St. Ronnie of RKO but there can't be any doubt that Reagan did lasting damage to the country as a whole.

[icenine]

Originally Posted by bobabode

Really? Gee Dubya may have been responsible for more dead Americans than St. Ronnie of RKO but there can't be any doubt that Reagan did lasting damage to the country as a whole.

Sometimes I think Reagan may have believed in that small government bullshit but sort of moderated his policies. You are right about his tax philosophy and the idiocy of supply side economics.

My impression of Bush was that he and his advisors were trying to wreak havoc on the nation by being more true to the Reagan ideal as a sort of revenge against Clinton by outdoing Reagan. Thus the huge unfunded tax cuts, the complete idiocy of invading Iraq on wrong intelligence, etc. I really think Reagan would not have invaded Iraq after 911,
The 5000 dead Americans in Iraq make Bush much worse than Reagan ever was in my mind.

What I really cannot stand is that some of the guys around Bush never served in the military...people like Rove, Rumsfield, Cheney...and basically decided to let others die for them so they could realize some neo-con fantasy about making Iraq into a democracy. I think Bush should have had someone around him that was not afraid to say hey wait a minute these guys are going to ruin your legacy not to mention get you into a quagmire. I think Reagan had wisdom whereas Bush lacked judgement.

I was born after Eisenhower but sort of look at Reagan as my Ike....not perfect but also not cavalier like Bush. Reagan made some big mistakes but the 80s were not that bad in my memory. Sometimes boring is good.

[bobabode]

Different strokes I guess but I'm with Carl. If you were here for Reagan's and Ed Meese's antics in California, Ronnie & crew win it hands down for the worst administration in American history. Nixon was a piker in comparison.

[Oerets]

I still can't figure out what I was thinking to have voted for him against Carter. Would say "well at least I voted" but in truth wish I'd stayed home that day rather then voted for him.


Barney

[CarlV]

Originally Posted by icenine

My impression of Bush was that he and his advisors were trying to wreak havoc on the nation by being more true to the Reagan ideal as a sort of revenge against Clinton by outdoing Reagan. Thus the huge unfunded tax cuts, the complete idiocy of invading Iraq on wrong intelligence, etc. I really think Reagan would not have invaded Iraq after 911,
The 5000 dead Americans in Iraq make Bush much worse than Reagan ever was in my mind.

Maybe if Reagan did not hire, train, and pay money to Bin Laden to mess with the Russians, Bin Laden may not have gotten his contempt for the USA and neither WTC capers would have happened. That is my thought on the matter anyway.
The 5000 body bags, lying to the world about WMD's, Bush tax cuts for the rich with money we never had to begin with. Bush does get honorable mention.


Carl

[Ike Bana]

The SE Asia body counts on both sides for nothing make LBJ and Nixon 1 or 2...I can't decide which, pick 'em.

The Iraq/Afghanistan body counts on both sides for absolutely fucking nothing makes Bush number 3.

Amnesty for 3 million illegals is one of the top ten reasons why Reagan was the worst? IDTS.


Personally, and when I get past my possibly obsessive infuriation over war for no reason, Bush was the worst chief executive in my adult lifetime. And the worst 2 term president in the history of the country. Worse than Reagan, even worse than Grant.

[icenine]

I think we were at fault also....no one in the general public was saying hey wait a minute do not do this too loudly as I recall....maybe it was because it was just after 911. Obama's recent reversal on bombing Syria is an example of a President sort of giving in to public opinion. However he had the war in Iraq as hindsight. And Syria is not over yet.

[Dondilion]

Originally Posted by Ike Bana

Amnesty for 3 million illegals is one of the top ten reasons why Reagan was the worst? IDTS.

A good deed by Reagan. It helped a lot of disadvantaged agricultural workers and their loved ones.

[CarlV]

Originally Posted by Ike Bana

The SE Asia body counts on both sides for nothing make LBJ and Nixon 1 or 2...I can't decide which, pick 'em.

Oh, I vote Nixon. By a country mile.

Rumors and whispers of Richard Nixon's 'treason' -- sabotaging Vietnam peace talks to help his Presidential campaign -- have floated around for years, but newly released tapes from Lyndon Johnson's Presidency confirm that LBJ knew about Nixon's behaviour and didn't bother to report it.
In previously released tapes from Johnson's Presidency, we had heard about Johnson having substantial body of evidence showing Nixon had schemed to keep the South Vietnamese away from the negotiating table at the 1968 Paris peace talks. Like Nixon, Johnson had recored all of his conversations held inside the White House. Nixon was accused or dispatching Anna Chennault, a senior advisor, to convince the South Vietnamese they would get a better deal if they didn't agree to a peace deal until after the U.S. Presidential election. Chennault confirmed she spoke with the Vietnamese in her autobiography, The Education of Anna, but nothing more than that. If true, the charge would likely amount to treason.
And Johnson knew about it all. In the recently released tapes, we can hear Johnson being told about Nixon's interference by Defence Secretary Clark Clifford. The FBI had bugged the South Vietnamese ambassadors phone. They had Chennault lobbying the ambassador on tape. Johnson was justifiably furious -- he ordered Nixon's campaign be placed under FBI surveillance. Johnson passed along a note to Nixon that he knew about the move. Nixon played like he had no idea why the South backed out, and offered to travel to Saigon to get them back to the negotiating table.
Johnson also passed along a note to Nixon's opponent, Democrat Hubert Humphrey. The Democratic campaign found out just days before the election, though, and decided they were close enough in the polls to not release the information. A treason accusation could potentially damage the country's security, they thought, before Humphrey lost a narrow election. Hindsight is 20/20, others say. Link

OK, back on topic.


Carl

[piece-itpete]

Originally Posted by icenine

.. Obama's recent reversal on bombing Syria is an example of a President sort of giving in to public opinion. ...

The ONLY reason he gave in was the chemical weapons agreement, which he made clear.

Pete