Reagan the worst?

[MrPots]

Originally Posted by icenine

Sometimes I think Reagan may have believed in that small government bullshit but sort of moderated his policies. You are right about his tax philosophy and the idiocy of supply side economics.

My impression of Bush was that he and his advisors were trying to wreak havoc on the nation by being more true to the Reagan ideal as a sort of revenge against Clinton by outdoing Reagan. Thus the huge unfunded tax cuts, the complete idiocy of invading Iraq on wrong intelligence, etc. I really think Reagan would not have invaded Iraq after 911,
The 5000 dead Americans in Iraq make Bush much worse than Reagan ever was in my mind.

What I really cannot stand is that some of the guys around Bush never served in the military...people like Rove, Rumsfield, Cheney...and basically decided to let others die for them so they could realize some neo-con fantasy about making Iraq into a democracy. I think Bush should have had someone around him that was not afraid to say hey wait a minute these guys are going to ruin your legacy not to mention get you into a quagmire. I think Reagan had wisdom whereas Bush lacked judgement.

I was born after Eisenhower but sort of look at Reagan as my Ike....not perfect but also not cavalier like Bush. Reagan made some big mistakes but the 80s were not that bad in my memory. Sometimes boring is good.

I'm having difficulty getting past the 100,000 dead Iraqis to get to the 5000 dead Americans.

Odd how we keep forgetting that part of it.......

[piece-itpete]

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Human_r...ein's_Iraq

Pete

[MrPots]

Kinda puts us right on par with Saddam don't it.

[piece-itpete]

100,000, a few million, all the same? They are masters of their own destiny now.

Pete

[BlueStreak]

Originally Posted by piece-itpete

They are masters of their own destiny now.

Pete

LOL!!!!

Until they ditch that stupid religion, they will never be "...masters of their own destiny....".

Dave

[finnbow]

Originally Posted by piece-itpete

100,000, a few million, all the same? They are masters of their own destiny now.

Pete

I think Iran may disagree with that assessment.

[piece-itpete]

They'd sure LIKE to, but I suspect Iraq will reassert themselves, if they can ever get their act together.

Pete

[finnbow]

Originally Posted by piece-itpete

They'd sure LIKE to, but I suspect Iraq will reassert themselves, if they can ever get their act together.

Pete

I disagree. Recent polls in Iraq show that the majority Shia (~70%) trust Iran far more than they trust us, and certainly far more than they trust Sunnis and Kurds.

[icenine]

Originally Posted by MrPots

I'm having difficulty getting past the 100,000 dead Iraqis to get to the 5000 dead Americans.

Odd how we keep forgetting that part of it.......

I do not forget about it....I just did not mention it.

[icenine]

Originally Posted by piece-itpete

The ONLY reason he gave in was the chemical weapons agreement, which he made clear.

Pete

Remember he took it before Congress before Boris came up with the plan that sort of saved our face....