Putin Invades the Ukraine

[finnbow]

Originally Posted by Dondilion

What is the overall picture?

In Kharkiv, Russia suffered its greatest military defeat since the early years of WWII and has suffered 3 times as many battlefield deaths in 6 months in Ukraine as they did in over a decade in Afghanistan (a war that contributed to the demise of the Soviet Union).

How's that, comrade?

You're starting to sound like your boy, Tucker. (His actual quote from 2 weeks ago was "By any actual reality based measure, Vladimir Putin is not losing the war in Ukraine. He is winning the war in Ukraine.")

[Dondilion]

So after six months how they come to hold so much of Ukraine's land.

[finnbow]

Originally Posted by Dondilion

So after six months how they come to hold so much of Ukraine's land.

...asks our resident Putin apologist while the Russian army is currently being routed in Kharkiv and will soon be in Luhansk and maybe Kherson. LOL.

You seem to have no qualms about supporting a murderous, corrupt kleptocracy. Whassup with that? Are you worried about being thrown out of a window or having plutonium slipped into your afternoon cocktail?

[Dondilion]

My attempt here is trying to be factual. By any measure, Ukraine has lost a lot of its land to Russia.

I do not see Ukraine with capacity to take back most of what is lost.

I do not see Russia yielding land near Crimea. Moreover Russia does not seem to be on the clock. That has serious implications for Ukraine and Europe.

[Dondilion]

Originally Posted by finnbow

...asks our resident Putin apologist while the Russian army is currently being routed in Kharkiv and will soon be in Luhansk and maybe Kherson. LOL.

You seem to have no qualms about supporting a murderous, corrupt kleptocracy. Whassup with that? Are you worried about being thrown out of a window or having plutonium slipped into your afternoon cocktail?

I am not supporting anyone or country. I am trying to give a realistic picture of the situation devoid antics and hysteria.

I have already stated on this site that I did not support Russia's invasion and that I believe the Ukrainians would give a good account of themselves.

[finnbow]

Originally Posted by Dondilion

My attempt here is trying to be factual. By any measure, Ukraine has lost a lot of its land to Russia.

I do not see Ukraine with capacity to take back most of what is lost.

I do not see Russia yielding land near Crimea. Moreover does not seem to be on the clock. That has serious implications for Ukraine and Europe.

If Ukraine takes Kherson (which seems possible) and then damages the Kerch bridge, Crimea will be isolated. It is getting to the point where the Russian army (and decimated Black Sea fleet) may have little to say about it.
In any event, the Ukraine war now poses a greater likelihood of Putin himself being deposed than Zelensky.

[finnbow]

Reports coming in that Russia just fired Lt. General Berdnikov, its commander of the western military district. He has been in that post for 15 days. They change commanders, either through death or by termination, about as often as I change my underwear.

Nope, not a Potemkin army.

[Oerets]

Originally Posted by finnbow

If Ukraine takes Kherson (which seems possible) and then damages the Kerch bridge, Crimea will be isolated. It is getting to the point where the Russian army (and decimated Black Sea fleet) may have little to say about it.
In any event, the Ukraine war now poses a greater likelihood of Putin himself being deposed than Zelensky.

What Putin believes and hopes is the uncertainty and fears in others. Associated with the prospect of him losing. He is a proven evil ruthless adversary. I feel is capable of anything and everything if faced with losing power.

[bobabode]

Trouble in paradise?

"More and more Russian officials are urging Vladimir Putin to get the hell out of the Kremlin as Moscow suffered another series of humiliating defeats in Ukraine this weekend.

Just one day after several municipal deputies in Putin’s hometown of St. Petersburg called on the State Duma to try the Russian leader for treason, their colleagues in Moscow joined in and demanded he step down because his views are “hopelessly outdated.”

The open letter to Putin from municipal deputies in the Russian capital’s Lomonosovsky district started out by seemingly trying to let him down gently, telling him he had “good reforms” in his first term and part of his second.

But then, “everything went wrong,” the deputies said.

“The rhetoric that you and your subordinates use has been riddled with intolerance and aggression for a long time, which in the end effectively threw our country back into the Cold War era. Russia has again begun to be feared and hated, we are once again threatening the whole world with nuclear weapons,” the letter read.

“We ask you to relieve yourself of your post due to the fact that your views and your governance model are hopelessly outdated and hinder the development of Russia and its human potential,” the deputies said in closing."

https://www.thedailybeast.com/moscow...wer?ref=scroll

[Chicks]

^^^ A very similar letter needs to be written to the MAGAMorons in Congress...