Gasoline.

[whell]

Originally Posted by Boreas

When will we decide that we've "hit bottom" with our oil addiction?

John

When you and folks who think like you do the all the little things that help advance your cause, such as sell your car, and stop using and buying all the the products that depend on oil and the refining process, such as:

Solvents
Plastics
Bearing Grease
Ink
Floor Wax
Upholstery
Car, Truck and Bicycle Tires
Nail Polish
Shoe Polish
Caulking
Petroleum Jelly
Transparent Tape
CD's
Faucet Washers
Antiseptics
Food Preservatives
Soap
Vitamin / Pharmaceutical Capsules
Antihistamines
Cortisone
Deodorant
Putty
Dyes
Electrician's Tape
Epoxy
Paint
Glycerin
Rubber Cement
Nylon Rope
Trash Bags
PVC
etc......

[bobabode]

Whelly, always the ideologue offers up his version of Hobson's choice.

[whell]

Originally Posted by bobabode

Whelly, always the ideologue who offers up his version of Hobson's choice.

Bobby, always the critic but seldom offering any competing ideas of input of his own.

It's not a Hobson's choice, sir. Restrict access to oil and you impact the availability and price of all products that are dependent on oil and the refinining process. Actions have consequences. If you disagree, then show me alternatives that are cost effective in today's market.

[finnbow]

Originally Posted by whell

Bobby, always the critic but seldom offering any competing ideas of input of his own.

It's not a Hobson's choice, sir. Restrict access to oil and you impact the availability and price of all products that are dependent on oil and the refinining process. Actions have consequences. If you disagree, then show me alternatives that are cost effective in today's market.

Or a picture of his Prius.

[nailer]

Originally Posted by bobabode

Whelly, always the ideologue offers up his version of Hobson's choice.

Hobson's nags have nothing to do with this - there's all that coal just waiting to be dug.

[nailer]

Originally Posted by finnbow

Or a picture of his Prius.

Takes a bunch of energy to build those hybrid/electric buggies.

[Tom Joad]

Originally Posted by whell

No, I posted an article from a single author that disrespected Veterans on Veterans Day. I was un-surprised when members of the forum agreed with the author and, like you, deflected by attempting to make me the issue rather than the article. But at least you're consistent...

You're the one who said it was disrespectful of veterans. I'm not sure how you came to that conclusion as you are apparently not a veteran yourself.

On the other hands most of the real veterans, such as myself and a number of other liberals, didn't feel offended in the least. So in the end Whell, you were exposed for the right wing troll that you are.

[finnbow]

Originally Posted by nailer

Takes a bunch of energy to build those hybrid/electric buggies.

Yeh, but it's worth it if it makes the driver feel morally superior.

[Boreas]

Look, dummy, this is about fuels, not lipstick, though I know that must be a hugely important consideration for your Friday nights.

Nobody, at least nobody here, is saying that we should leave all the rest of the world's supply of oil in the ground. There are, as you point out, other uses for petroleum besides fuels. Many of them don't devastate our planet the way fossil fuels do.

On the other hand, there are viable alternatives to petroleum as a raw material in the manufacture of many of the (bolded) items on your list. It's possible for intelligent people to pick and choose the things we use oil for and the ways in which we use it... and do so in a responsible fashion. Burning it isn't one of those.

John

Originally Posted by whell

When you and folks who think like you do the all the little things that help advance your cause, such as sell your car, and stop using and buying all the the products that depend on oil and the refining process, such as:

Solvents
Plastics
Bearing Grease
Ink
Floor Wax
Upholstery
Car, Truck and Bicycle Tires
Nail Polish
Shoe Polish
Caulking
Petroleum Jelly
Transparent Tape
CD's
Faucet Washers
Antiseptics
Food Preservatives
Soap
Vitamin / Pharmaceutical Capsules
Antihistamines
Cortisone
Deodorant
Putty
Dyes
Electrician's Tape
Epoxy
Paint
Glycerin
Rubber Cement
Nylon Rope
Trash Bags
PVC
etc......

[Boreas]

Originally Posted by nailer

Hobson's nags have nothing to do with this - there's all that coal just waiting to be dug.

And uranium too! Hell, if we can make a nuclear powered aircraft carrier, we can definitely make a nuclear powered car!

John