Watching as Iraq burns.

[Charles]

Originally Posted by finnbow

Interesting and timely article on civilian deaths in America's conflicts since WWII.

As the United States officially ended the war in Iraq last month, President Obama spoke eloquently at Fort Bragg, N.C., lauding troops for “your patriotism, your commitment to fulfill your mission, your abiding commitment to one another,” and offering words of grief for the nearly 4,500 members of the U.S. armed forces who died in Iraq. He did not, however, mention the sacrifices of the Iraqi people.

This inattention to civilian deaths in America’s wars isn’t unique to Iraq. There’s little evidence that the American public gives much thought to the people who live in the nations where our military interventions take place. Think about the memorials on the Mall honoring American sacrifices in Korea and Vietnam. These are powerful, sacred spots, but neither mentions the people of those countries who perished in the conflicts.

The major wars the United States has fought since the surrender of Japan in 1945 — in Korea, Indochina, Iraq and Afghanistan — have produced colossal carnage. For most of them, we do not have an accurate sense of how many people died, but a conservative estimate is at least 6 million civilians and soldiers.

http://www.washingtonpost.com/opinio...4eP_story.html

And the uplifters killed way more than that whenever they banned DDT.

http://www.acsh.org/healthissues/new...sue_detail.asp

Chas

[Dondilion]

Originally Posted by Twodogs

I always admired Churchill.

: He spoke with two tongues, one eloquently for European freedom re the nazis, the other rabidly pro colonialists.

[neophyte]

Originally Posted by bobabode

Most were Saudi nationals, none were Iraqis, had al queda shown their faces in Iraqi territory they would've been hung from the nearest lamp post. Your reasoning is flawed, completely. I might agree with some of what you've posted around here but this post ^ is not supportable.

who said a word about Iraq in this context? perhaps reading this will help a bit.

excerpted from an article, Middle East Issues at About.com
http://middleeast.about.com/od/terro...-jihad-faq.htm

On August 23, 1996, Osama bin Laden signed and issued the "Declaration of Jihad Against the Americans Occupying the Land of the Two Holy Mosques," meaning Saudi Arabia. It was the first of two explicit declarations of war against the United States. The declaration summed up bin Laden's belief, categorical and uncompromising, that "there is nothing more imperative, after faith, than to repel the aggressor who corrupts religion and life, unconditionally, as far as possible." In that line was the seed of bin Laden's stance that even the killing of innocent civilians was justified in defense of the faith.

[Charles]

Originally Posted by neophyte

who said a word about Iraq in this context? perhaps reading this will help a bit.

excerpted from an article, Middle East Issues at About.com
http://middleeast.about.com/od/terro...-jihad-faq.htm

By Jove, I believe I'm finally seen the light.

Bin Laden was a fucking religious wacko who had no qualms about murdering any one, even his own people, in his quest for ideological purity.

And he wasn't, and isn't, the only squirrel in the tree.

This ain't over with yet, whether we've taken our ball and went home or not.

Chas

[Bigerik]

Originally Posted by Charles

By Jove, I believe I'm finally seen the light.

Bin Laden was a fucking religious wacko who had no qualms about murdering any one, even his own people, in his quest for ideological purity.

And he wasn't, and isn't, the only squirrel in the tree.

This ain't over with yet, whether we've taken our ball and went home or not.

Chas

And there are a WHOLE lot of people in the world who would switch Bin Ladens name with Bush's, and leave all the rest the same.

[bobabode]

Originally Posted by neophyte

who said a word about Iraq in this context? perhaps reading this will help a bit.

excerpted from an article, Middle East Issues at About.com
http://middleeast.about.com/od/terro...-jihad-faq.htm

Oh I get it! Staying on topic doesn't mean shit to you. What's the topic or do you even fucking remember? You're spouting crap and you choose to lecture me, that's rich!

[Bigerik]

One guy who keeps getting a pass on this stuff is Clinton. During his term, the unnecessary and unconscionable sanctions he kept on Iraq killed hundreds of thousands of civilians and kids, while doing nothing to harm the bastards up top.

[Charles]

Originally Posted by Bigerik

And there are a WHOLE lot of people in the world who would switch Bin Ladens name with Bush's, and leave all the rest the same.

Let me guess...you're one of them???

Chas

[Charles]

Lotta hate in this world.

Chas

[neophyte]

Originally Posted by bobabode

Oh I get it! Staying on topic doesn't mean shit to you. What's the topic or do you even fucking remember? You're spouting crap and you choose to lecture me, that's rich!

relax, tough guy, don't let your oil light come on over this stuff.

the thread went where the thread went, in this case referencing 9/11, and I followed suit.