Current destabilization of society in the USA.
 

I don't know if it's the Antifa movement, or what, but the flames of racial tension are being systematically fanned by some group or groups of people.

Look at the Wendy's restaurant that was torched in Atlanta. There are surveillance pictures of a Caucasian female dressed like a Ninja warrior leaving the scene of the crime.

Are we to think she's seeking justice for the killing of Rayshard Brooks in the parking lot? She burned a Black managed fast food joint, in a predominately Black neighborhood.

Same thing in Minneapolis. The pictures of the Auto Zone store show White guys coming out as it burns.

And the Ahmaud Arbery case in Georgia. Three White guys were involved in that killing, and one them has turned on the other two to make himself look better. The police had a news conference just to announce that the guy who shot Ahmaud used a racial epithet, the N word, immediately after the shooting. Why would they make this public announcement ? The only possible motive (that I can see) is to stir up trouble.

That conference was crazy. Perhaps there was more content to it, and the news agency edited it to focus on the N word. But that's definitely what it looked like; we have confirmation, that word was definitely used, now back to regular programming.

What a mess.

"Antifa" (antifascists) is a relatively loose term for associated like minded collection of individuals opposed to right/far right interests, usually authoritarians tied to moneyed interests. Oriented more to social causes and reform than business and profits as the first priority. Some extremist agitators in the movement may be interested in fomenting an open rebellion, but that isn't the goal of the vast majority, social reform benefiting most "ordinary" folk is.
Likewise, there are folks and groups on the opposite pole advocating authoritarianism under their principles under political, economic, and/or religious priorities of racism and/or Christian dominionism. Advocates of inciting revolt include so-called "boogaloo boys".
It can be assumed that extremists from any movement may pose as their polar opposite to discredit their image/cause and foment retaliation. Any variation of that strategy is possible and likely to be expected.

I consider people forcing me to wear a mask in public to be authoritarian in perspective if not literally authoritarian, the former being the Karens and the latter being the elected officials. I consider people telling me who I can and can't hire based on sex, race, age, etc. to be authoritarian.

I do not consider people fighting for enforcement of our laws to be authoritarian. Law is a good thing. But authoritarian laws are bad things. What does Antifa stand for and how are they fighting for that? I submit that Antifa are themselves Fascist in their goals and are the modern equivalent of the Nazi brownshirts.

This explains it pretty well, not just regarding specific current causes, but the actions of the past as well:

The Left’s Premature Revolution

Here is a snip from the article, and it just gets better from there:

There an evergreen adage in the world of business, politics and entertainment: “Timing is Everything.” It’s a truism that is lost on the now fully radicalized American left and their militant cohorts in their mad dash to exploit the tragic death of George Floyd.

During the Obama presidency, the death of Michael Brown and the subsequent acquittal of Officer Darren Wilson in Ferguson, Missouri, as well as the death of Freddie Gray in police custody in Baltimore, engendered riots, looting and violence in those cities. These events demonstrated to the left that the Marxian tactic of exploiting class animosity to foment revolution, which has not succeeded in an essentially egalitarian United States, should be replaced by the fomenting of racial animosity and the exploitation of egregious law enforcement events, which could be the catalyst to launch the fundamental transformation of the nation. These occurrences can trigger, not just local, but national upheaval that can be used to browbeat the citizenry. Particularly as their militant wing greatly expanded with the creation of the organization, Black Lives Matter, after the Ferguson riots.

Taking a page from many 20th Century despots, Black Lives Matter utilized the facade of branding their militant Marxist entity with a sentiment few would take issue with, as black lives do matter. Hence, they were able to intimidate major corporations into making massive financial contributions and engendering positive media coverage while advocating Marxist ideology and Fascist tactics alongside their fellow travelers in Antifa.


The core of the article is in the five points it presents.

The current events are being influenced by a number of issues to be sure. As in times past the issue that seems to be the catalyst for wide spread focus, taken on it own in a vacuum would not of been sufficient.

The issue of race is a powerful one full of emotions and inequities. Violence and suffering that for to long was allowed to continue. Like any problem that is allowed to continue unaddressed until the day it can not be anymore. Usually in doing so the problem that would of been a simpler fix has evolved into the extreme because of inaction.

A "let them eat cake moment".

The problem of race will be an excellent source of rage - in free societies - until the Lord returns, as will the other biggie - wealth inequality. Jesus wasn't kidding when he said "the poor you will always have with you."

There is always a pilot light waiting for nefarious characters to use to turn up the heat. It is the human condition.

But it has been addressed in countless ways. There's the rub. We had a black president for crying out loud. :D

This has gone from complaining that you're getting no food to complaining that the corn flakes are getting stale. The grievences are actually more whining that your world is not perfect rather than fighting gross iniquity.

If we lived in the world BLM would have you believe we are in, the average non-black american would see the Floyd video and publicly say, "That seemed totally appropriate to me. I mean, after all, he's a dirty Ni..."

But that is not what is happening. Quite the opposite. In fact, the closest responses I've seen to that is this: "We need to let all the information come out and let the courts do their job." In a country governed by laws, that truly IS the high road response.

So, my response to the whole rioting/protesting thing is that they are the little kid laying on the floor kicking and screaming at the checkout stand because mommy won't buy them a candy bar. That is, they need to grow up.

The good news is that most of them are under 25 and they WILL grow up like people tend to do. Most of them, anyway.

What's antifa? Journalist Talia Lavin on the reality behind the media's "pernicious lies"
Confused about antifa? So is everyone. "Anti-fascists have a purpose," says Talia Lavin. "It's in the f**king name"

https://www.salon.com/2020/06/15/wha...rnicious-lies/

So no, it's beyond ridiculous to blame antifa for fanning the flames. They are fighting fascism, plain and simple. Sadly, we have fascists in power right now, all the way up to the Oval Office.

What's so comedic about antifa is that it's name is like calling Nazi's "antina".

They ARE the fascists. Look at their tactics, just for starters. Judge a tree by its fruit.

During the Minneapolis riot, there was a group of White militia guys walking around, all armed with AR-15s, wearing tactical gear. They were not trying to stop any of the looting or anything. In the pictures I saw, they were just smiling.

I wonder who they where, Boogaloo Boys, maybe.

Yahoo News sure likes to present inflammatory headlines.

I'll come back to digest what you guys are posting. Haven't had time just yet.

Those fascists in power would declare anyone who opposed them to be enemies of the republic. I think what has them stymied is the across all races support for the BLM movement and support for ending police brutality.
Current destabilization of society in the USA? I see it as the destabilization of the status quo.

What if you are mistaken in the belief in not fixing until a return of your deity. Remember the Lord helps those who help themselves...


What you might be missing is those who feel they have little to loose now just may have much to gain with protesting. Being little movement seemed to be happening up till now.
As to the election of President Obama. This my go down as the current rise of racism. As seen from the get with all the hate groups forming protests against him. Tea baggers as a start, birthers all were lightly veiled racist infused groups.

I'm and American living in Dallas and know of no US or Texas law forcing me to wear a mask. Sounds like Kentucky isn't really your kind of place after all. :)

Any law that has the intent of keeping one from doing what one wants to do is probably seen as authoritarian by the perp.

The mask is used to protect others from the wearer. To keep a sick person from infecting others. Sure wearing one protects the wearer. The being a good neighbor and wearing one, just how is that a bad thing?

Is it a arrogant selfish act to forgo wearing a mask to protect another I let others decide for themselves. Have my own opinion as to the motivation.

I'm with you 100% on this post.

The BLM movement is not helping me transcend any racist ideation I may have. Look at the 'triggers' for the riots, going back to Rodney King. They've all been spark by some Black dude breaking the law and resisting arrest. Even the shooting at the Atlanta Wendy's looks justified to me.

Using the cop's taser against the cop, it could have easily put his life in jeopardy. If the taser had caught him, the dude could have doubled back in a split second and taken the cop's Glock.

The cops that killed George Floyd were just stupid (or new to the job). But Mr. Floyd was resisting arrest. He was not targeted because he was Black.

I'm not saying Black folks have no reason to resent the oppression dished out by the White majority, both past and present. They do.

But they can't keep violating the rights of other people, even the rights of other Black people, and expect to avoid consequences.

Participating in a riot is like throwing a tantrum, only on a much larger scale. And now the cops are losing their power base, because they're being 'tried' in the press, and even facing criminal charges for political reasons.

My 'racist ideation' is based on fear, not any notion of White supremacy. It's comforting to me to know many Black folks are Christians.

Somehow we need to defuse this bullshit.

This world is indeed the domain of the Devil.

Man !

I posted this four hours ago, and just now I received a pop up Windows notification .."Who were those White militia guys at the Minneapolis riot"?

But I have to subscribe to the KC Star newspaper to read it.

Is that messed up or what ?

Extremists Are Using Facebook to Organize for Civil War Amid Coronavirus

https://www.techtransparencyproject....id-coronavirus

I had the chance to read the KC Star article in print.

The armed guys seem to be identifying with the Boogaloo 'movement', mostly done though facebook. Their numbers have grown substantially since the Covid pandemic took hold, but they're not a cohesive group.

The only common thread seems to be protesting police brutality / authority in general, however, the militias type also cooperate with the police sometimes.

It's just a coincidence that the windows popup advertising the article occurred when it did, the paper was already finalized for printing.

Boog' boyz.
https://www.reviewjournal.com/crime/...vegas-2055101/

That doesn't mean Google isn't watching you...;)

Just a quick Q. Why do people keep conflating riots with protesting? Have there not been protests happening for the last week or so, even around the world, without violence? I mean I know the media doesn't like to cover that but they are there. Also, shooting someone in the back just because he got away from you is just wrong.

Truth is the first casualty.

Although protests can and do turn into riots.

Italics added by me.
There you go conflating the two. How many of the nation wide protests have turned into riots in the last seven to ten days? How many of the protests occurring around the globe for the same time period have turned into riots? Don't think for a minute I'm denying the riots. There are always those who are opportunists seeking to lash out, cause destruction or simply see a chance to get something for free but these people are not protesters.

You're thinking of the word 'conflate' wrong, maybe...
con·flate
/kənˈflāt/
verb

conflating: combine (two or more texts, ideas, etc.) into one.

"the urban crisis conflates a number of different economic and social issues"

You're saying we are hyping it up, just like I say you're down playing what the guy did to get shot in the back.

Actually, that's bold text you used and like BigElCat just pointed out, you appear to be confused regarding the meaning of conflate.

Regarding Destabilization
 

The current destabilization going on here nowadays is due to Corona. I don't think the BLM reaction to Floyd's death by police would be occurring without Corona, as NI pointed out in another thread. There already is one good result from the protests and riots though. Further removal of monuments glorifying the lost cause rebels.

So you think there's something that can be up-played enough to justify shooting Rayshard Brooks in the back?

I was referencing what I already said..


I guess they could have let him run away, and tried to locate him later. This incident was not nearly as unjustified as the 2017 Minneapolis killing of that Australian woman.


https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Shooti...%20her%20house.

Here's a look at Rayshard Brook's take down...

https://www.yahoo.com/news/rayshard-...120347050.html

Conflating protests and riots into one and the same. Nailer didn't say protests can turn into riots. He didn't say protests do turn into riots. He said protests can and do turn into riots. A riot and a protest are separate things. Sure there have been rioters in with protests waiting for the opportunity to riot but they aren't really protesters to begin with. Maybe I'm a little touchy having been in several protests that began and ended peacefully.
On the subject of the shooting I just wonder when I see instances like that and people say deadly force is justified and then see ones like this
https://www.facebook.com/iAMSTEVEJON...743104796/?t=3

This reminds me of those evolution debates where they devolve into arguing the difference between a theory and a hypothesis.

When you start mincing words, you've lost the debate.

Actually, the way I worded it also accounts for protests that don't turn into riots. You read what I wrote as: "Protests will always turn into riots." A protest that turns into a riot are not separate since the riot would not have occurred without the protest.

Riots may be linked to a protest but I still say they're separate. What's the aim of a protest? What's the aim of a riot. Riots are particular things. Sometimes a protest can devolve into a riot on it's own or with instigation. Sometimes a riot just breaks out on it's own like when MLK was assassinated or this.

Talk about racism, all the white guys in those pictures and not one mention of Oakland 2003. ;)

Like that cartoon!

Here's a video rebuttal...

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4rZETAGFiF8

Every man is entitled to his own opinion. His opinion is "these protests ain't nuthin' but riots" which is bullshit. As soon as I saw his Space Force and MAGA hats I knew right where he was headed. I put him in the same category as Candace Owens and Diamond & Silk.

You're saying Black Lives Matter (except for the ones that like the status quo).

How bizarre.

The CHOP village in Seattle is about to get smashed.

Do you really think this puts us closer to a more egalitarian society ? Some kind of Marxian transitionary period ?

IMHO, it puts us closer to a Totalitarian clamp down, not that Trump's going to do anything crazy. The next president will 'inherent' a mess.

The underlined, I don't understand how you come to that from what I said. Next, what does the CHOP village have to do with my reply? As for the rest, nothing so grandiose. The BLM movement is a response to police brutality. That this brutality seemed to grow from the belief that, to the officers involved, black lives did not matter. The desire is that Blacks be treated no differently than others in interactions with law enforcement.