The OTHER versions of the health bill

[OvenMaster]

So far, I am only able to find one verson of House Resolution 3200, the health care reform bill dated July 14, 2009:

http://frwebgate.access.gpo.gov/cgi-...3200ih.txt.pdf

There are at least four other versions floating out there that I can't find. I was hoping that some here might know where they might be.

My mom is rip-roaring angry and very scared. My dad is talking sitting on the steps of the Capitol and letting government agents shoot him. They watched today's (August 11) New Hampshire town hall meeting where Obama was the one giving the answers to questions, and they swear on Bibles that Obama said that there WILL be "death panels" to determine whether one is sufficiently productive in society, that there WILL be cutoffs of drugs for the elderly so that they die off, and that there WILL be mandatory "flu" inoculations or face being arrested and quarantined in camps, I am the one that has to deal with the fallout.

They believe the transcript of the town hall meeting from today's New York Times has been edited and is false, and does not accurately reflect the actual meeting.

When I tell them that this fearmongering and outright lies aren't true because "I have seen NOTHING in the bill. It's not there", I get "Did you read all four or five bills? It's in there! Rush says so!" stuff. It's like talking to a brick wall. They hear or believe one thing, and quoting one version of the bill is insufficient. I need the others.

No, they do not have Alzheimer's. No they are not crazy. They simply do not want any changes to what they have already. Yes, they believe Rush Limbaugh. They are solid Republicans.

So. If Rush Limbaugh can get a hold of the other versions of the health bill and be able to read these things, then I should be able to access them, too. Anyone have the slightest clue of where the other versions are?

[soundhound]

folks, you are being snowballed. the insurance companies and hmo's are filling you full of it. health care should not be for profit, period

[wajobu]

Tom--that's nothing, but horse-hockey. I just can't believe it, but Rush Limbaugh and his ilk are liars. These bills are still in committee, but they will soon enough be in the Federal Register once they become bills for voting.

Every single one of the falsehoods professed by Rush and his henchmen (and women) have been refuted with facts to the contrary--your poor parents are being bamboozled.

http://www.whitehouse.gov/realitycheck/?e=10&ref=text

I gotta say that almost anything is better than the price increases that I have seen in the last 8 years (under our so-called private competitive healthcare system)...we'll go bankrupt paying for healthcare next year--seriously.

[OvenMaster]

You guys know it, and I know it. But I can't convince my folks otherwise. And not only is it causing fights in the house, but it's driving me --and them-- crazy.

This is why I need the other bill versions, so I can read the chapter and verse of these provisions that are being quoted as "in the bill", but not in the one version that's out already.

[soundhound]

Originally Posted by OvenMaster

You guys know it, and I know it. But I can't convince my folks otherwise. And not only is it causing fights in the house, but it's driving me --and them-- crazy.

This is why I need the other bill versions, so I can read the chapter and verse of these provisions that are being quoted as "in the bill", but not in the one version that's out already.

i'm in nearly the same boat. my parents are going broke paying for doctor visits and prescription medicines. yet they are against healthcare reform.

my stepdad is 6 years into his pacemaker, has high blood pressure, and is borderline diabetic. he is the poster child for clean living. he doesn't drink, smoke, curse, eat un-healthy food, and at 72, has just quit working. he retired from cooper tire around 10 years ago after 31 years of service. when he retired, he kept his health insurance through the company. over the years, his benefits have been reduced and his premiums have increased, dramatically.

my mom has neuropothy (spelling?), high blood pressure, arthritis, and her spine is deteriorating. she is fighting the need for a wheel chair with all her might, but can barely move.

together, they pay for somewhere on the order of 14 prescription medicines every month. though their insurance kicks in, the deductibles and copays are eating them alive. my stepdad was recently hospitalized for a few days after his pacemaker defibulated (spell?) him. they just paid a hospital bill of just over 1000 dollars that his insurance and medicaid did not cover. people on fixed incomes (low ones at that) just can't afford this.

there are people in this country who work hard and pay into the system that are doing without healthcare because they can't afford it.

i myself do without some things i need. i have health insurance. i work for the state as a teacher, so my coverage is comparibly above average. i need glasses, dentures, have foot fungus, and have lately been experiencing cramps in my hands. i have to be half dead before i'll go to the doctor, simply because the cost is so great, i would literally have to do without something (admittedly luxuries) to pay for it. between the deductibles, copays, and the 20% i am responsible for, god forbid i ever had some kind of major health problems. my share of the payment burden would put me in the poor house.

there are many people who are against reform because they say they are happy with their current health care. this i do not understand. maybe they are wealthy enough to afford whatever the health fairy throws at them or maybe they just have never had any problems serious enough to cause them financial woes. i don't know. but i cannot help but to think that if they ever suffered some major illness, they would come to realize rapidly the error of their belief.

the reality of free market medicine is that the wealthy are getting proper healthcare, while the poor are getting fucked. as if poverty did not have enough disadvantages already, add to them a shorter lifespan.

come on fools, pull the wool from your eyes! you are being lied to by people who don't give a fat rat's ass whether you live or die so long as the profits keep rolling in.

i don't think the bill, if passed, is going nearly far enough. in a country as wealthy as ours, their is no excuse for not providing FREE healthcare to anyone and everyone who is in our country and in need. fuck the insurance companies.

[cabinover]

Pelosi will be proud of your union backed statement. I will agree with you on this part

"come on fools, pull the wool from your eyes! you are being lied to by people who don't give a fat rat's ass whether you live or die so long as the profits keep rolling in."

The only difference is I see the government being in the lead role here and change the word profits to taxes.

[noonereal]

It is frightening to see Murdoch and Limbaugh scare the little guy so.

Folks this is like finding fault with the Child Labor Laws, OSHA or FDA.

No government run program is perfect but no big business is either.
One thing that history has proved is that the government can be trusted much more than private industry.

[Charles]

Personally, I have no idea what is in the bill, or as to how much it will cost.

But the country is pretty much equally split politically, and while not the only issue, this seems to be THE issue which is bringing them into the streets.

And I don't like what's happening in the least. I would recommend that the politicians slow down and attempt to calm the electorate before they proceed with this particular issue.

I'm not looking forward to riots in the streets, and I can see it happening. People are getting hot.

Chas

[noonereal]

I agree Chas and the irony is astounding.

I am against what I know of this health care bill but not because of lying agenda driven self consumed fear mongers.

I simply think we cannot afford it right now as we had to repair the economy from the obscene profits made on our economic rape.

[merrylander]

We are not wealthy and health insurance takes about $10k a year and that does not cover drugs although it does provide a discount card for drugs. Now if a pollster asked if we were happy with our insurance we would say yes, it is a good plan. Now if that same pollster was not working the wrong side of the street he/she would also ask "Are you happy with the cost?" we would say hell no. So much for polls as the old expression goes "Figures do not lie but liars sure can figure."

Ban TV adverstising and magazine advertising of drugs if you want to cut costs, they spend nearly $30 billion a year on that alone.

Apparently the "consultation on end of life" as set out in the bill is supposed to be determined by some group down the road with few specifics. Adding the simple wording that such consultation is purely voluntary would probably calm many fears.

As for Limbaugh he is as the book suggested "a big fat liar" and a drug abuser to boot, by his own admission.

Oh ye generation of vipers!